tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5273077195457377371.post3690963737640545700..comments2023-10-05T23:00:32.066-04:00Comments on Dreambound: On LearningKaehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16164718601021220108noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5273077195457377371.post-49578885207980303552023-09-12T23:58:55.305-04:002023-09-12T23:58:55.305-04:00Great post thank youGreat post thank youi-tec2013https://i-tec2013.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5273077195457377371.post-78924085871789913242010-12-17T10:56:20.095-05:002010-12-17T10:56:20.095-05:00What a brilliant post.
When I first started playi...What a brilliant post.<br /><br />When I first started playing and was looking at raiding I kept being told 'no vent no play' on the theory that they couldn't teach me the fight. <br /><br />Vent still gives me the absolute pip being little more than white noise to my brain and videos, as Rul said, are only useful if we've been there before. I remember swotting on HoS when my healer was small enough for it to be intimidating, watching a video and then not actually recognising a single thing until on the way out when I went 'ohhhhhh that is what they meant by ....'.<br /><br />Give me a good flow chart, diagram or better still let me go and bang my head in the run a few times, I read other players gaming pretty well and I learn much faster than rattling off a mob of vent instructions.Tsudshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04541517892259149087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5273077195457377371.post-42379246389758729752010-12-15T17:26:51.349-05:002010-12-15T17:26:51.349-05:00The other tactile learners come out of the woodwor...The other tactile learners come out of the woodwork ^_^<br /><br />I've always been one who doesn't get much from reading boss strats or watching videos or listening to the RL ramble until I've tried the fight. I find that all strats do is spoil the boss.<br /><br />Being a tactile learner tends to be looked down upon, in game as much as in real life, but on the bright side, when we get to the execution part, we tend to learn real fast. I read boss strats because I have to, but I'll still die to every boss mechanic on the first try. But once I've died to something once, I'll rarely die to it again. I also internalize fight rhythms easily, to where timers and people calling out stuff on vent is just annoying. If I know a fight, I KNOW when the boss is going to do his trick, I don't need silly numbers counting down on my screen!<br /><br />So yeah, it's harder for a tactile learner to prepare for a fight, and a raids' first few wipes are usually due to us tactile types, but on the upside, once we experience a fight, we learn fast and we learn well.Opheliehttp://bossypally.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5273077195457377371.post-13002401882583831092010-12-15T14:41:29.421-05:002010-12-15T14:41:29.421-05:00I find I need to experience something to learn it....I find I need to experience something to learn it. I can read it over and over 100 times and watch the videos until my eyes bleed but until I actually get to experience it I will not "get it".<br /><br />I find that the reason neither reading or watching helps me is that they are all filled with clutter. <br /><br />If you keep it simple by saying "move when the ground under you rumbles" I will remember it but if you say "so and so has an ability that causes xxx amount of damage and will shoot you up in the air adding fall damage after if you do not move from it" means absolutely nothing to me.<br /><br />Sound is usually the prominent thing I remember and use as a learning trigger. Effects/Abilities without sound take me longer to learn it seems.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5273077195457377371.post-58707304949022593242010-12-14T17:43:50.527-05:002010-12-14T17:43:50.527-05:00Great post.
I have trouble getting it through to ...Great post.<br /><br />I have trouble getting it through to people that I simply cannot learn by reading strats and watching someone else's videos. My eyes glaze over and nothing sticks. It's not that I'm lazy and I don't want to read or watch videos in preparation - they just do not work for me.<br /><br />I have to see the space. This is key.<br /><br />I can't visualise the fight and understand any of it until I have had a chance to stand in the space.<br /><br />To a lesser extent I can use diagrams (and I often make them).. but they need to have landmarks in them or I don't understand. Eg floor markings/patterns, labels like "door" "left pillar" etc. If it's just a blank page with bosses and bodies marked, it won't sink in at all, just like the videos and written strategies.Keevahttp://treebarkjacket.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5273077195457377371.post-62157630031440951942010-12-14T17:31:23.890-05:002010-12-14T17:31:23.890-05:00But I don't wanna learn! Hand me epix!
I'...But I don't wanna learn! Hand me epix!<br /><br />I'm a very audio-oriented person myself. Due to years of work in theater, I've gotten extremely practiced at the cue & response method of association learning. This extends most often to question prompts as cues, with appropriate formulas as responses.<br /><br />In WoW, I try to talk out what's going on in an encounter as I'm in it. I may not talk over Vent or anything, but there's usually an audible train of thought about "okay, shit hits the fan in 10seconds, adds spawn in 25... I've never seen that AoE effect before and... yep, it hurts." The whole process helps me internalize the events of the encounter for future reference very quickly. <br /><br />By attempt 581248964 on HLK, I was probably silent. But the first few dozen (and then those that reached into new phases) were times that I was glad I live alone - no one to bother!Theladashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02882008381356231060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5273077195457377371.post-15658216379059263882010-12-14T14:58:48.977-05:002010-12-14T14:58:48.977-05:00I am Tactile first, Visual Second.
Reading me a s...I am Tactile first, Visual Second.<br /><br />Reading me a strat does almost nothing unless i turn it into... "Don't stand in fire". <br /><br />Watching A video only works after I have seen the encounter. <br /><br />Once i see it, I get it. It doesn't take much for me to understand a fight after that.<br /><br />Execution after grasping a concept though is another thing entirely. That can only be gained by trial and error and what works best for your group.Alyaenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5273077195457377371.post-86084351700317942902010-12-14T14:01:35.480-05:002010-12-14T14:01:35.480-05:00I'd consider myself more of a hybrid visual/ta...I'd consider myself more of a hybrid visual/tactile learner. Videos (to me) are mostly worthless as a teaching tool due to the lack of context. The only way they'd be worthwhile at all is if they took the time to pause the video during important spell effects and said something like "See that green stuff on the ground? That's X. It does Y. Don't stand in it." Otherwise, it ends up being more productive just reading the tooltips of the spell abilities and seeing the fight "in person". After seeing the fight once though, I tend to be pretty capable of just abstracting it out to diagrams (which is why I've always been such a big proponent of using strict positioning on fights that would benefit from it). Videos become useful there just to see what strategies other guilds have had success using for positioning.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09024178082042301533noreply@blogger.com